just curious to know who wins /:
he said you may be the only human capable of beating her
if he was talking about all of blue rose he would said "with help" so rigrits level must be comprable to evileye (which would make sense cus she is a 5th tier magic caster which alone should put her around level 31 and then add the levels from her swordsman classes which should be about as high as brain's at around level 25 since he is comparable to gazef
It's tricky. All three of them are powerful magic casters each capable of at least 5th tier magic. As for max output I think something like this is in order: Flunder Flunder is a 6th tier magic caster, and maybe the only human famous for being one. He has considered Rigrit to be a long time rival and in the past he was behind her in ability. Assuming that Rigrit has gotten more powerful sense than, odds are she still surpasses him. Due to the fact that we can't prove this, it remains just an assumption. Evileye is only capable of 5th tier magic casting. The 'Only' part would put her behind them, but put in her vampire levels and she surpasses them. Commenting specifically on her country threatening trump card. Once again, this is not an easy comparison. The lines aren't well defined. Rigit has never been shown in a combat encounter(To my knowledge) and whether or not she has gotten stronger, and how if so, is unknown. So saying she is stronger than Flunder is not certain. On the flip side she may have reached or surpassed Godkin levels without anyone knowing. As a necromancer she has an advantage against Evileye, one Rigrit claims would let her win. What exactly it is, I Don't Know. (I think undead dog whistle) Evileye vs Flunder. Evileye with trump card, Flunder without.
Flunder is a 6th tier magic caster, and maybe the only human famous for being one. He has considered Rigrit to be a long time rival and in the past he was behind her in ability.
Assuming that Rigrit has gotten more powerful sense than, odds are she still surpasses him. Due to the fact that we can't prove this, it remains just an assumption.
Evileye is only capable of 5th tier magic casting. The 'Only' part would put her behind them, but put in her vampire levels and she surpasses them. Commenting specifically on her country threatening trump card.
Once again, this is not an easy comparison. The lines aren't well defined. Rigit has never been shown in a combat encounter(To my knowledge) and whether or not she has gotten stronger, and how if so, is unknown. So saying she is stronger than Flunder is not certain. On the flip side she may have reached or surpassed Godkin levels without anyone knowing.
As a necromancer she has an advantage against Evileye, one Rigrit claims would let her win. What exactly it is, I Don't Know. (I think undead dog whistle)
Evileye vs Flunder.
Evileye with trump card, Flunder without.
@Onida DSTY Where did you come to the conclusion that Rigrit gained swordsman levels? I know she beat Brain, but I don't remember it being said she won at swordsmanship. I'm not up to date on the web novels, so just wondering.
its never stated that she has levels in swordsman classes but its pretty obvious since she beat (or stalemated) brain by using a sword. shes like succulent except she learned necromancy and swordsmanship instead of illusion magic and swordsmanship
is it possible that rather than having levels in sword classes she just knows the perfect warrior spell like momon
im pretty sure perfect warrior is a spell above the 5th tier but if not then its possible
Rigrit almost certainly has a combat class, but I do not think it has that many levels. It is worth remembering that she has stats of a level 50, so she can be superior to a warrior some levels of combat greater than her.
This is a minor form of what happens with Ainz and his 100 lvls, which are worth as a 33 lvl fighter, although he does not even have a warrior class. My personal guess is that it has 30 lvls of magic classes and 15 combat classes and 5 mixclasses (combat + magic or support).
Now Fluder certainly is above 38 lvl.
36 lvl it should have only the Wizard class, where it is on the way to 7th tier, although not within reach.
It is called the Triad Magic Caster, as it follows three magic routes: Arcane, Divine and Spititual (or maybe crafting?). It even has Bishop levels and Forbidden Arts User. If he is able to cast 2nd tier in each, it would already be 16 lvls more. That is, he is minimal, a duel for Rigrit and Evileye, and what he lacks are not levels (that he must have the same or more) but practice of combat (he is a scholar after all).
while fluder is a scholar that doesnt mean hes not proficient with combat
he's still an arcane magic caster (a combat class) and to become a better arcane magic caster he'd have to go out into the field and fight. books would not make him the 5th tier arcane magic caster that he is today he also has to get into live combat
the same way doing push up wouldnt make gazef a level 30 warrior he still needs to kill shit to "level up"
While it is true that xp flows from dead bodies (Maruyama implies this when writing in the comments of Volume 13 on Neia leveling in the siege), usually in games combat is not the only source of XP. Otherwise classes like cooks and blacksmiths would not be as popular in games as Yggdrasil, and are said to be really popular.
The bonus of completing a quest may give you more xp than going to a random hunting field in many games.
We must also consider that according to the clues of Ninya, magic is not only learned by rising level, but by time and study (she herself had a talent that allowed her to learn faster) and according to that we know the magic by new worlders subverts their own magic system, since they create spells, something that only developers are capable in the game. The magic scrolls creation system of the NW is alien to the Skeletal Mage Titus, something done with the fingers by NWs. The same for the magic items, if I'm not mistaken, they have to overcome themselves without crystals of data.
The empire itself has a Magic Academy (intensely described in the WN) with students who reach the 3rd Tier without combat in the program. Of course adding both (combat and study) would have better results.
There are also many 2nd tier utility Magic Casters. It's hard to imagine them fighting. And also those Magic Casters specializing in tunnels in Volume 11, should also have little time for combat.
With these examples I think it is possible to receive xp without a fight and to be a mage without shedding blood.
This also makes me believe that tier magic is a force of nature in the New World (in this case an invading force) and that the study of magic is nothing more than a germinating science. So it would not be strange that with the minimum combat Fluder would arrive at such a level. I mean, being an outlier having fought as much as an orichalcum or adamantite.
I even think it was because he was not going so much to field to fight and stayed in the safety of the books that he lived up to 6th tier. Why else would he die as many promising talents die.
But of course he went to the field, just was not his priority or main form of leveling. Just remember the case of Go Gin, he who was the savior option to combat the threat of the foreign troll. And the very case of the Death Knight (for which Fluder did not lose but rather captured this research specimen which was the strongest undead he saw in his long life).
On the question of the post, in my opinion Evileye should win in 1 vs 1 with Rigrit in a difficult fight. And Fluder, who must be the most level or second most level of the three, would lose to both for having a poorly formulated build and being weak in fights.
Although Rigrit is a necromancer, many of her tricks would not work on an equal / superior level undead like Evileye, and she would not have help of the other blue roses this time. In addition to being a vampire Evileye should be immune to the attacks of energy of the Necromancer, while Rigrit would not be the same against the attacks of the elementalist. In addition Evileye is said to be much stronger than was shown, because at no time did she reveal her trump, the author himself said she is in the Top talents of the continent (not region).
Sorry about my English.
you cant level up as an arcane magic caster through reading, learning spells and gaining levels are two very different things in the new world you have to learn spells through books cus you're not given the option to learn spells automatically after leveling up like in yggrasil, instead you learn spells through books or tutoring but you still need the appropriate level and to get those levels you have to use the magic for its intended pourpus (healing with divine or fighting with arcane) or anyone with potential could just pick up a book and become 4th tier without leveling up
and yes your right, someone like a blacksmith wouldn't gain smithing levels through fighting but they couldn't just read a book about making armor either the book would just help them learn new techniques but they still need to make armor and weapons to level up, the same applies to any class, the only way to level it is to use it for its intended purpose,, the only class that would be leveled from reading is a scribe
What do you think?