Talk:Renner Theiere Chardelon Ryle Vaiself/@comment-112.208.30.55-20151015041512/@comment-49.149.164.83-20151022092953

The meeting occured offscreen and is only vaguely hinted at. There are several indications:

1.) Before Nazarick's operation against the Eight Fingers in vol.6, Demiurge, using Entoma's illusion magic, showed the team a hologram of one unspecified person and told them not to kill that person. Later Shalltear got an opportunity to kill Brain(and she had a desire to because he got away from her in vol.3) and was about to stalk and kill him but grudgingly decided not to when she saw that Climb was with him. This implies Climb was the one they were told not to kill. This is the biggest indicator.

2.) Renner has been known to be very protective of Climb but was shown to be uncharacteristically nonchallant about sending Climb into the fray, even insisting that he go, during the demon attack incident by Nazarick. This was to the point that several characters noticed it and got worried about Climb. This could be explained if she had been sure he would not die because of a deal she made with Nazarick.

3.) During Demiurge's speech to the denizens in Nazarick at the beginning of vol.7 he mentioned in passing that his evaluation of the kingdom was low, saying that it hold no charm except for a "single person". Renner is an incredibly intelligent psychopath with a hidden sadistic tendencies. This, combined with her utter disregard for the future of the kingdom, makes her the most likely "person" Demiurge is referring to considering his personality. This implies that he met the "real her" already.