Talk:Renner Theiere Chardelon Ryle Vaiself/@comment-5.164.220.231-20180811013351/@comment-45.56.46.26-20180811042403

No.

Renner didn't originally love Climb before coming to hate the nobles, but she did love reason and justice. It was because the nobles around her violated the reason and justice she loved that she became yan-oriented. She was originally a dere-type. Climb merely allowed her an outlet for that after she had become disillusioned with everything else around her.

Of course, the narrative deliberately confuses this issue, Renner is frequently painted as being a psychopath from the beginning. But that's definitely a false characterization that illustrates the shallowness of characters like Zanac and Raeven. Their inability to understand why Renner hates the nobility so much is a reflection of their own corruption (a deliberate one, given the echoes of 21XX). She is canonically stated to have been empathetic and loving before being twisted by the evil she saw being blandly tolerated because it wasn't that inconvenient to the nobles.

Maruyama clearly is making a commentary about people who can't even see the depth of total corruption of their own society because they enjoy a priviledged position within it. Renner, who saw the evil for what it was at a young age despite being a beneficiary, stands at the top of the moral pyramid. Climb, Suzuki-kun, Gazef, and other peasants who dumbly believe that there must be some reason and justice they can't see behind a system that takes everything away from them are the next rung. Tuare, Ninya, Neia, Enri, etc. who know that the system oppressing them must be wrong and are willing to look to someone who offers a better way are just below that. Ulbert, Albedo, Demiurge, Zanec, Raeven, Brain and others who seek to overthrow everything that stands in the way of their ambitions are under that.

Those incompetents who cannot question the system because they believe it serves all their needs are the lowest moral scum in Overlord. Even when frustrated, they blame subordinates rather than the system which allows such incompetence, because the system is what allows them as well. Zack and Barbro illustrate two characters who are apparently vastly different in every way but share this similarity...they both accept and exploit the injustice of the system.