Talk:Rubedo/@comment-2402:800:6374:E9D7:E030:2B0B:5724:D21C-20190802032637/@comment-33235983-20191022165401

While Rubedo wouldn't be capable of taking out entire Nazarick alone, she would certainly cause a lot of damage.

Why exactly would Nigredo, Albedo, or Rubedo be connected in terms of power just because they are sisters? The Pleiades are sisters, but the highest level and the lowest level member have a level gap of over 50 levels.

The ability to resist a World-Class Item would require you to have the Protection of a World. World-Class effects are absolute unless you have the Protection of a World. Shalltear is the strongest Floor Guardian, yet she failed to resist it because she lacked a World-Class Item to protect her from a World-Class effect. Unless Rubedo has some sort of special class or is made out of a World-Class Item as the most prominent theory on her suggests, she wouldn't be immune to the effect of a World-Class Item. The same would apply to any character, including Ainz. Why do you think that Rubedo was ever mind-controlled by Slane or they even attempted to mind control her? Rubedo has not even left Nazarick so there wouldn't even have been any chance for Slane to try mind-controlling her.

Victim's special ability is to activate a skill. Not a 10th tier spell to be exact but I digress. Shalltear's Einherjar is just a Golem-like construct of Shalltear. According to Maruyama, Rubedo is even stronger than Touch Me, who could beat multiple high-tier players at once. Ainz also categorized Shalltear to be in high-tier in terms of her build, skills as a player not included. Based on this, Rubedo should be able to even beat two Shalltear's going at her. The Goal of All Life Is Death would be harder to counter. The best option would be to use a resurrection item within the 12-second timer. Based on Ainz's fight with Shalltear, during the 12-second timer, Ainz cannot use any other abilities. Fighting against Rubedo, the strongest close-combat specialist, would be tough during the 12 seconds. Slane Theocracy does still not have Rubedo, and I have no idea why you think they do. Rubedo is also not a level 100 NPC, as all level 100 NPCs have been shown.

Why would Albedo, Nigredo, or Rubedo have been created by the guild doing a raid boss? Please explain your thinking. There is nothing to suggest that any of the sisters was created after or because the guild defeated some raid boss, nor are you really arguing the point currently. Your original argument was why you think Rubedo wouldn't be capable of defeating entire Nazarick, but the majority Supreme Beings who fought a raid boss when the game was still online are no longer present. Custom NPCs couldn't also leave the guild bases, meaning that we can't say that Nazarick could defend against Rubedo because the owners who are now mostly gone could.

Your original argument was that Rubedo wouldn't be capable of beating Nazarick, which is true. However, the claim that Rubedo is a monster that can destroy the entire world is different. While on Nazarick's side, Rubedo would certainly cause large damages to even True Dragon Lords, which are the strongest entities along side with Zesshi Zetsumei in the New World that have so far been mentioned. While a TDL or Slane could attempt to defeat her using Wild Magic or a World-Class Item in order to produce a World-Class effect, it's very likely it won't be possible. Ainz mentioned that only the strongest group in Nazarick could beat Rubedo, and that was with the help of World-Class Items. However, if World-Class Items could be used to weaken Rubedo's relative strength, wouldn't it mean some other being even outside the group could defeat Rubedo? In that case there wouldn't be any reason for Ainz to only specify the group with the strongest firepower, unless the firepower is also required while the World-Class Item is simply a precaution to Rubedo's strength.