Talk:New World/@comment-1846146-20160607220058/@comment-27168967-20160608174254

'Even on this Wiki, Ainz world item and Throne of Kings are counted separately, it's still unknown, they are the same or not. '

I do have a few points that I think they are the same. Please bear with me for a minute.

1) After Nazarick was first transported to the New World, Ainz didn't bother equipping the Floor Guardians with World Items as countermeasure, resulting in Shalltear's drama. Yet, when he retrieved World Items from the vault he didn't bother to prepare one for himself and that's during the time when he had no idea whether the resurrection system was even active. At that point, the only way to reverse the brainwashing was to kill the target. For Ainz to risk dying permanently and leave the NPCs alone? Unthinkable. Or he's simply confident he'll take care of everything perfectly?

2) As we have seen in the pictures of the prologue novels, Ainz didn't have the orb before going dungeon crawling into the place which would eventually become the Great Tomb of Nazarick, meaning that the orb came later. I know this is pretty weak but the next point follows suit.

3) Taking quote from Rimus, Momonga was allowed to possess one of these ultimate items. Now, if you read up till the very end, the message which tells of the World Item was only heard by Momonga, acknowledging his very possession of such wonderful item; the Throne of Kings. Nobody else heard that.

Given Albedo's case, I would presume that the World Item's possession is fixed once the person takes it and can only be given if the owner willingly gives it like how Tabula gave Albedo a second WI. This kinds of tells about how the previous World Item could have been stolen. The Nine probably got into a fight over who was to take the thing that another sneaked up and touched the World Item to claim possession. Not to mention the buff which can only be granted by a World Item...

Given Satoru's vigilance of upholding the virtue of upholding the Guild's law, I really cannot fathom him deliberately breaking the rule first hand and claim another World Item for himself. He didn't even think of Tabula giving a second World Item to Albedo at the very start of the story!

'I DID read them. And I know where to found them. So I'm saying - There is no difinite proof, and only fan theory. I'm not interested in the fan theories. Only facts. So, rather than empty boasting of your knowledge - PROOF QUOTE. '

And can you prove them wrong? Your claim is as much a fan theory as any out there. I'm going to sleep...