Talk:Bellriver/@comment-99.113.151.203-20190726193358/@comment-37782702-20190728081043

Well, looks like we're on opposite ends on the spectrum when it comes to the topic of The Wish Upon a star and the ring.

"Wish Upon a Star isn't all powerful, even in the New World."

Well i think the opposite and also think your trying to downplay WUAS.

"but according to you the Wish power should be equal to the one anyway, when it's clearly not the case."

I did not say that the Spell can overcome things affected by World items. The only thing the Wish spell can't do is counter the EFFECTS of world items. moving the world items Themselves around is not an effect as you need to Use the ability of a World Item to properly counter the wish, Otherwise the wish can safely come into effect. This wish wasn't possible in Yggdrasil as it had a limit of 200 wishes, but now that the Spell can use Reality Warping powers to wish the user for anything, The user can exploit that loophole to gain an advantage.

"Let's say Ainz can wish for infinite wishes, why do you think he is going to get what he is wishing for? He can wish for the endless amount of charges in the ring but then nothing happens except for the fact that another free wish is wasted."

that last line doesn't prove he can't wish for infinite wishes at all. Thats just an assumption that isn't proven, he hasn't tried using the spell once after trying to cast it on shalltear. Now i think hes capable of doing this is because like i said on my first post, it Doesn't matter how powerful the wish is. The more powerful wishes cost lots of XP, but the ring Negates that requirement, thus i believe thats its possible for him to wish for infinite wishes. but with him not testing it, we can't be for sure. It may be possible that the author is intentionally on making Ainz not thinking of using my idea is because he knows how powerful the spell is.

"Besides, Ainz saw what he can wish in the New World, and since he didn't abuse the wishes like you suggest means that he can't, as he totally would if he could."

No it doesn't, He hasn't mentioned it once at all after he tried to use it on shalltear. All that was said was that Wish Upon a Star can't be used to counter the effects of World Items. That would be on the "Shooting Star" page if it were true, but since it isn't, then that is false. a potential reason why he didn't try to test it is because the author didn't want him to exploit The rings power, so he made him Dense on this part.

Off Topic, but Why exactly are you talking about WUAS and the ring on Bellrivers page? wouldn't it be better to post this on the Shooting star page?