Talk:Rubedo/@comment-61.247.40.110-20180809160756/@comment-45.56.46.26-20180814075505

I think the key factor of using "Them" is probably massive HP and physical defense, so as to stall Rubedo long enough to actually do something rather than being shut down and infinite combo-killed.

PA in Touch-Me form and equipment might also be a valid counter, but Rubedo would still overwhelm and kill him without massive and coordinated support both to DPS her and buff/recover him.