Talk:Ainz Ooal Gown/@comment-24.117.193.9-20170802160636/@comment-26144500-20170804055234

I checked again and I was indeed partly wrong. However, the same goes for you.

1- Considering that Rubedo was said to be able to "overwhelm" Ainz even with his full divine gear, and that she's stronger than Touch Me(whom Ainz has NEVER been able to win against in pvp), it stands to assume that Ainz would lose against Rubedo. It is important to note that the World class item cannot be used against Rubedo for she is made from one. As such, the simple fact that it was said that Ainz would be "overwhelmed" rather than him being incapable of fighting her means that it counts him as having his world class item with him. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to do jack shit and it would be only "overwhelmed".

2- While it is true that there were no mentions of "Them" struggling against Rubedo if they have world class items, there also isn't any mention of Rubedo not being able to even fight one of "Them" to a draw. "Them" refers to several beings, and it thus implies that they would be figting her together to beat her, and that they would need a World class item to be able to affect her. There was never a single mention of it being just one of "Them" to beat her.